the Founder Files

Why Saying No Helped Them Scale From Freelancers to Global Clients

Season 5 Episoe 25

In this episode of The Founder Files, we’re joined by Angelo Zanetti, co-founder of Elemental, a custom software development agency that’s quietly grown into a global force serving clients across South Africa, Europe, and the UK. Angelo takes us through the 20-year journey from two self-taught devs to a 25-person team, navigating everything from messy pivots to failed products and bold repositioning. But beneath the surface is a rare founder philosophy: simplify complexity, serve with excellence, and grow by focus; not by fluff.

We dive into:

• How Elemental grew from freelancers to a full agency

• Their bold move from subcontractors to owning the client journey

• Defining their ideal clients and niching down

• Why they shut down a growing marketing division to focus

• Winning international clients without meetings

• How AI is shifting dev work—and how they’re adapting

• What founders should know before building their own product

This episode is packed with real founder insight, from one of the most grounded voices in the dev world.

Too Long; Didn't Listen? Here's what to look for:

00:00 Introduction

04:26 Elemental’s business model explained

06:14 Elemental’s reach: Market & scale today

08:07 How Elemental attracts overseas business

09:51 The role of AI in Elemental’s workflow

13:11 The hidden complexity behind clean code

17:29 Why clear positioning changed everything

24:12 Why Elemental pivoted and what It changed

27:46 How Elemental identified their ideal clients

29:42 Refining our ICP to scale smarter

41:47 What changed after we repositioned

48:59 Why cutting marketing made us more profitable

54:54 Lessons from a failed side hustle

01:09:06 What’s the most pressing obstacle in this phase of the journey?

01:16:18 What does the future look like for Elemental?

01:23:30 With hindsight in hand, would you make the same decisions?

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